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billys15
26-11-07, 22:36
Θελοντας να δειξω με ποιον τροπο το πρασινο τσαϊ βοηθαει στο να καψουμε λιπος,κανω αυτο το μικρο topic.Λοιπον:

Οταν ασκουμαστε ή βρισκομαστε σε φοβο,κρυο,αγχος κλπ,εκκρινεται απο το σωμα η νοραδρεναλινη (νορεπινεφρινη) η οποια προετοιμαζει το σωμα για αυτο που προκειται να συμβει,δινει δηλαδη μια εντολη του "κατσε ή βαλτο στα ποδια" (fight or flight οπως λενε και οι Αμερικανοι).Η κατεχολαμινη αυτη ειναι γνωστη για τις λιποτροπικες της ιδιοτητες,οι οποιες ομως εξουδετερωνονται λογω της αχρηστευσης της απο ενα ενζυμο,την κατεχολ-Ο-μεθυλοτρανσφεραση,που εμποδιζει τη δραση της.Εδω ομως ερχεται το πρασινο τσαϊ,και συγκεκριμενα η δραστικη του ουσια,η epigallocatechin gallate (EGCG),που αναστελλει τη δραση του ενζυμου και αφηνει την νορεπινεφρινη να παει και να κολλησει πανω στον υποδοχεα της και να ενεργοποιησει την αδενυλοκυκλαση.Αυτη μετατρεπει την τριφωσφορικη αδενοσινη (ΑΤΡ) σε κυκλικη μονοφωσφατικη αδενοσινη (cAMP),που με τη σειρα της ενεργοποιει την ορμονοευαισθητη λιπαση (HSL),η οποια εχει την ικανοτητα να καιει λιπος.Ωστοσο,και αυτης η δραση μειωνεται/αχρηστευεται απο το ενζυμο φωσφοδιεστεραση που την μπλοκαρει.Δυνατοτητα της καφεϊνης,τωρα,ειναι να εμποδιζει αυτο το ενζυμο και να γινει η "δουλεια",δηλαδη να καει λιπος.Αρα καταλαβαινουμε γιατι πρασινο τσαϊ και καφεϊνη πρεπει να πανε μαζι.

Μια συνηθης δοσολογια ειναι 3-4 κουπες πρασινο τσαϊ την ημερα και 150-200 mg καφεϊνη.

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RUHL
26-11-07, 23:45
Eνταξη το ανελησες παρα πολυ εσυ μιλα χωριατικα να σε καταλαβαινουν ολοι(ειδικα ο Θειο-Φωτης :green: )
Ναι ειναι πολυ καλο το πρασινο τσαι περιεχει μεσα και καφεινη μαλον αυτο δεν επισημανες και στο ενα φακελακι πρεπει να περιεχει 40 μγ καφεινης αμα δεν με απατα η μνημη μου και 30-35 μγ πρασινο τσαι
Και επησης αυξανει την θερμοκρασια του σωματος εμμ δεν το πα καλα πως ειναι η διαφημηση muscletech με την θερμοκρασια θερμογενεση κατι τετοιο ε αυτο και οταν το βαζεις πριν την αεροβια η πριν την προπονηση μετα γινεσε παπι απο τον υδρωτα δοκιμασμενα πανω μου :weights:
Γενικα ειναι πολυ καλο "συμπληρωμα" και ειναι must σε καθε διετα και εχει παρα πολα αντιξιδιοτικα.

Gasturb
26-11-07, 23:49
Η κατεχολαμινη αυτη ειναι γνωστη για τις λιποτροπικες της ιδιοτητες,οι οποιες ομως εξουδετερωνονται λογω της αχρηστευσης της απο ενα ενζυμο,την κατεχολ-Ο-μεθυλοτρανσφεραση,που εμποδιζει τη δραση της.Εδω ομως ερχεται το πρασινο τσαϊ,και συγκεκριμενα η δραστικη του ουσια,η epigallocatechin gallate (EGCG),που αναστελλει τη δραση του ενζυμου και αφηνει την νορεπινεφρινη να παει και να κολλησει πανω στον υποδοχεα της και να ενεργοποιησει την αδενυλοκυκλαση.Αυτη μετατρεπει την τριφωσφορικη αδενοσινη (ΑΤΡ) σε κυκλικη μονοφωσφατικη αδενοσινη (cAMP),που με τη σειρα της ενεργοποιει την ορμονοευαισθητη λιπαση (HSL),η οποια εχει την ικανοτητα να καιει λιπος.

Απο μικρός στο copy paste :green:

Gt

billys15
26-11-07, 23:52
Alex απλα το εγραψα ετσι αναλυτικα για ενημερωτικους σκοπους,ολοι ηδη ξερουμε οτι βοηθαει στο να χασουμε λιπος,εγω εγραψα το πώς το κανει αυτο :)



Απο μικρός στο copy paste :green:

Gt

Ε τι να κανεις,χρειαζεται κι αυτο! :P :green:

msdmn
26-11-07, 23:54
και καμιά πηγή δε βλάπτει

stevengr
27-11-07, 00:01
Πηγη πρασινου τσαγιου; Μονο τα λιπτον ή δεν κανουν; Για ριξτε προτασεις.

billys15
27-11-07, 00:03
Οχι τα lipton δεν νομιζω να κανουν,ετσι εχω ακουσει τουλαχιστον.Εγω παιρνω απο φαρμακειο γυρω στα 5 και κατι ευρω για 45-50 κουπες.

stevengr
27-11-07, 00:18
Billy για δωσε λιγο ονομασια, χρωμα κουτιου, γραμμαρια κλπ τι γραφει δηλ. το κουτι εξωτερικα


Υ.Γ.: επισης εχω διαβασει στο νετ οτι το υγρο αποσταγμα πρασινου τσαγιου (6-7 σταγονες σε μια κουπα νερο) δινει μεγαλυτερη δοση αποροφαται εως 400% περισσοτερο και δινει 300mg πολυφαινολες ητοι: 10-12 φλυτζανια τσαγιου!

Gasturb
27-11-07, 01:31
Δεν θέλω να κάνω διαφήμιση αλλά υπάρχει πκαλο συμπλήρωμα κ οικονομικό απο γνωστή εταιρεία, τσέκαρε steven για green tea extract

Gt

gpol
27-11-07, 01:53
Και μην περιμενουμε θαυματα απο το πρασινο τσαι. Εδω το eca δεν κανει κατι, αν εχεις χαλια διατροφη

Gasturb
27-11-07, 01:58
Aπλά το 'κερασάκι στην τούρτα' το οποίο αν κ όχι απαραίτητο έχει λόγο υπάρξης

Gt

RUHL
30-11-07, 15:19
Οχι τα lipton δεν νομιζω να κανουν,ετσι εχω ακουσει τουλαχιστον.Εγω παιρνω απο φαρμακειο γυρω στα 5 και κατι ευρω για 45-50 κουπες.

Eτσι για να ζηλεψετε πρασινο τσαι φερμενο απο την κινα :nana: :P δυστιχως μονο το κουτακι που βλεπετε δωρο ηταν :cry: :cry:

http://imageshack.gr/files/wwn9blz37lhufdf8osy9.jpg (http://imageshack.gr/view.php?file=wwn9blz37lhufdf8osy9.jpg)

billys15
30-11-07, 16:48
Billy για δωσε λιγο ονομασια, χρωμα κουτιου, γραμμαρια κλπ τι γραφει δηλ. το κουτι εξωτερικα

Ειναι ενα πρασινο χαρτοκουτο και εχει στη μεση σε ενα κιτρινο πλαισιο "Πρασινο Τσαϊ" μετα "Green Tea,100 % φυσικο προϊον,μπλα μπλα μπλα..." και πανω δεξια εχει και την γευση (η βανιλια καλουτσικη ειναι,αλλα το περγαμοντο σαν πολυ πικρο να μου φαινεται).

RUHL
20-01-08, 23:26
Κατα την ανοιξη λεω να χρησημοποιησω το πρασινο τσαι στην διετα αλλα σε συμπληρωμα
Η ερωτηση ειναι η εξης ποσα mg πρεπει να περνεις ανα μερα?(οτι θα ειναι διασπασμενη σε ολη την ημερα ενοειτε)
Και πια ειναι η διαφορα του extract με το απλο (ξερω οτι το extract ειναι καλυτερο αλλα γιατι?) παντα σε συμπληρωμα απλο και extract οχι φακελακια του τσαι


Αν και κοντευει 1 μηνα αυτο ποστ μου ας το κανω εδιτ μιας και δεν εχουμε κινηση σημερα

Ειδα εδω πρωτεινουν απο 1,5-3 γραμ μοιρασμενα σε ολη την ημερα


SUPPLEMENT DOSE
Green Tea Extract 500-1000 mg 3x a day before meals

http://www.flexonline.com/nutrition/67

Antonio
21-01-08, 16:17
Ruhl πιές 3 τσαγάκια την μέρα και είσαι οκ.Τι κάθεσαι και ψάχνεις τώρα... :P

RUHL
21-01-08, 16:22
Επειδη ειδα διαφορα με 4 τσαγακια την ημερα σε θερμογενεση και χασιμο λιπους για αυτο την ψαχνο την δουλεια σε χαπια πλεον :wink:

Antonio
21-01-08, 16:30
Εγώ δεν έχω δοκιμάσει πράσινο τσάι για σκοπό γράμμωσης αλλα θα ξεκινήσω εφέτο(!) & θα κάνω το εξής. Θα φτιάχνω ένα τσαγάκι με 4-5 φακελάκια θα το βάζω σε ένα μπουκάλι και κατευθείαν στο ψυγείο. Και θα το καταναλώνω μέσα στην μέρα...
Τσάι με λεμόνι στο μπαλκόνι!

Gasturb
21-01-08, 16:30
Αν θυμάμαι καλα χρησιμοποιούσα green tea extract 3 κάψουλες την ημέρα από 400 mg η καθεμία oποτε 1.2 γρ was ok.

Gt

RUHL
03-03-08, 20:36
African researchers recently evaluated the weight loss effects of a formulation consisting of cissus quadrangularis, soy albumin, green tea extract, chromium, and B-vitamins. Overweight subjects were provided with the formulation and either given no dietary advice or a diet that was restricted in calories. In addition there was a placebo group. After 8 weeks:

The placebo group lost 4.4 pounds
The formula group with no dietary advice lost 14.5 pounds
The formula group with caloric restriction lost 17.8 pounds

Both formulations groups also lost significantly more body fat and had greater reductions in total cholesterol, LDL cholesterol, triglycerides, glucose and C-ractive protein. These results are preliminary, but show promising weight loss and metabolic improvements with a formulation containing cissus quadrangularis and green tea extract as the main ingredients.

Oben J, Kuate D, Agbor G, Momo C, Talla X. The use of a Cissus quadrangularis formulation in the management of weight loss and metabolic syndrome. Lipids Health Dis. 2006 Sep 2;5:24.










This recent publication is a more extensive follow-up study of the previous Cissus and Green Tea study. This report showed greater weight loss and improvements in health markers with a cissus quadrangularis formulation. The same group of African researchers conducted a larger study to confirm a previous investigation consisting of a formula of cissus quadrangularis, soy albumin, green tea extract, chromium, and B-vitamins in overweight subjects. (THE POST ABOVE) They also examined the effects of cissus quadrangularis alone to show the independent weight loss effects without the other ingredients in the formula. Participants were supplemented with the following for 6-8 weeks:

Placebo group
Cissus quadrangularis (300 mg/day)
Cissus quadrangularis formulation

The placebo group had no change in body weight, whereas the cissus alone group lost 10.6 pounds and the cissus formulation lost 18.8 pounds. The findings confirmed the results of their previous study showing an impressive weight loss using a cissus and green tea extract formulation. Since weight loss was slightly less in the cissus alone group, it seems the green tea and other nutrients work in synergy to produce weight loss.

Oben JE, Enyegue DM, Fomekong GI, Soukontoua YB, Agbor GA. The effect of Cissus quadrangularis (CQR-300) and a Cissus formulation (CORE) on obesity and obesity-induced oxidative stress. Lipids Health Dis. 2007 Feb 4;6:4.

Dinos
31-03-08, 22:54
το κανονικο βουνισιο τσαι κανει δουλεια?
http://laspistasteria.files.wordpress.com/2007/06/tsai1.jpg

RUHL
31-03-08, 23:24
αχαχχααχαχαχαχχαχαχα :rolf: :rolf: :rolf: :rolf: :rolf: :rolf:

οχι αχχαχαχα


η πρασινο η μαυρο τσαι κανουν δουλεια ολα τα αλλα οχι δεν ειναι το τσαι γενικα αλλα το ειδος :idea: :idea: :idea: :rabbit:

RUHL
06-08-08, 22:12
Kατι ενδιαφερον που ισως δεν θα ξερατε

Green Tea
Then find a green tea pill. Green tea has been shown to be beneficial for weight
loss. You can also drink green tea but you have to drink a minimum of 4-7 cups a
day to gain any weight loss benefits. Remember that green tea contains
caffeine.
Increase metabolism by 4% and increase the percentage of calories burned by
10%. You could burn at least an extra 64 calories per day with green tea.

RUHL
09-12-08, 17:02
Public release date: 27-Jan-2005
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Contact: Mayer Resnick
mresnick@the-aps.org
Office: 301-634-7209
Cell: 301-332-4402
American Physiology Society

Green tea extract boosts exercise endurance 8-24%, utilizing fat as energy source
Swimming endurance improvement comes from equivalent of four cups of tea a day over 10 weeks
BETHESDA, Md. (Jan. 27, 2005) – Now that even baseball players may need to seek new, more natural performance aids, will Japanese green tea sets become standard in dugouts and athletic training tables around the world?
A new study tested the effect of regularly taking green tea extract (GTE) and found that over 10 weeks, endurance exercise performance was boosted up to 24% with 0.5% GTE supplementation, and 8% with 0.2% by-weight addition to food.

Reporting in the online edition of the American Journal of Physiology-Regulatory, Integrative and Comparative Physiology researchers at the Biological Sciences Laboratories of Kao Corp., Tochigi, Japan, said the 8-24% increase in swimming time-to-exhaustion was "accompanied by lower respiratory quotients and higher rates of fat oxidation."

The results "indicate that GTE is beneficial for improving endurance capacity and support the hypothesis that the stimulation of fatty acid utilization is a promising strategy for improving endurance capacity," according to the study entitled, "Green tea extract improves endurance capacity and increases muscle lipid oxidation in mice." Research was conducted by Takatoshi Murase, Satoshi Haramizu, Akira Shimotoyodome, Azumi Nagasawa and Ichiro Tokimitsu, working at Kao Corp., a Japanese maker of healthcare products, including green tea beverages.

Results came from the equivalent of about 4 cups of tea a day

Although it's difficult to extrapolate from mice eating GTE as a food supplement to a major leaguer or Olympic swimmer sipping green tea, the study's lead author, Takatoshi Murase said: "We estimate that an athlete weighing 75 kilograms (165 pounds) would have to drink about four cups (0.8 liter) of green tea daily to match the effect in our experiments."

"One of our important findings," Murase pointed out, "was that a single high-dose of GTE or its active ingredients didn't affect performance. So it's the long-term ingestion of GTE that is beneficial." (Murase based his calculations of mouse-to-human tea/GTE consumption equivalents on work his lab is doing on the anti-obesity effects of GTE on mice and humans.)

In an era when professional and amateur athletes are always looking for ways to improve performance, and most people want to improve their health and exercise capabilities, "the efficacy of dietary interventions is still controversial," the authors acknowledge. They note that green tea and cacao contain a class of polyphenols called catechins, which consist mainly of epigallocatechin gallate (EGCG), epicatechin gallate and gallocatechin gallate. Catechins have been reported to have various physiological and pharmacological properties over the years.

The Kao lab "recently demonstrated that the long-term consumption of tea catechins was beneficial in counteracting the obesity-inducing effects of a high-fat diet, and that their effects may be attributed, at least in part, to the activation of hepatic lipid catabolism" in mice. "Overall," the authors said, "observations so far suggest that thermogenesis and fat oxidation are stimulated by the intake of catechins."

Working hypothesis and study methods

"To confirm our hypothesis that catechins affect endurance exercise capacity (i.e. time to exhaustion) by increasing lipid utilization, in this study we examined the effect of catechin-rich GTE intake on the endurance capacity of Balb/c mice swimming in an adjustable-current water pool. We also analyzed changes in energy metabolism, especially lipid metabolism. We demonstrated that GTE intake improved endurance capacity and this was accompanied by an increase in lipid catabolism. Our results support the hypothesis that stimulation of lipid metabolism is a promising strategy for improving the capacity for endurance training."

The ideas for the experiment come from the fact that "skeletal muscles utilize carbohydrates, lipids and amino acids as energy sources, but the ratio in which they are used varies with the intensity of exercise and the level of fitness" as well as the type of exercise involved. For instance "during endurance exercise, excess glucose is undesirable because it induces insulin secretion, which in turn simultaneously inhibits lipid metabolism and stimulates lactate production. Conversely, enhanced availability and utilization of free fatty acids are considered to reduce carbohydrate utilization, which in turn spare glycogen and suppresses lactate production and results in an increase in endurance."

To test what effects GTE and its components would have on endurance exercise, the researchers ran two experiments. In the first, swimming endurance capacity was measured at eight weeks of age and the mice were divided into four groups of 10 each. All subjects had unlimited access to water for exercise. For 10 weeks, controls ate a standardized diet only, while experimental animals had this diet supplemented with 0.2% and 0.5% GTE by weight. During this period experimental mice were exercised in a pool twice a week, but non-exercise mice weren't.

The second experiment was similar to the first but the experimental groups received a diet containing 0.1% to 0.5% EGCG for 10 weeks.

At the beginning of the experiment, the mice swam about 26 minutes until they were exhausted. After 10 weeks on the training regimen, the time-to-exhaustion for the exercise-control mice (no GTE or EGCG supplement) rose to about 33 minutes, showing the effects of unaided practice on endurance capacity. From the first week of the experiment, the mice on GTE showed greater improvement compared with the exercise-controls. By week eight, the improved performance of mice on 0.5% GTE was significantly better (39 minutes) than the exercise-controls (33 minutes) at a 0.05 level, while improvement in weeks 9 and 10 (40 minutes vs. 33 minutes) were significant at the 0.01 level.

GTE effects not matched by EGCG alone suggesting other additional influences

In the global search for enhanced athletic performance (and health and fitness), the Kao team said they "have shown that GTE improved endurance capacity and that the improvement was dose-dependent. A similar effect was observed in mice fed EGCG, a major constituent of GTE, suggesting that the effects of GTE were mediated at least in part by EGCG.

"However, because the effects of EGCG appear weak compared with those of GTE, we cannot rule out a possible contribution from other components of GTE. Although long-term intake of GTE enhanced endurance capacity, no marked effects were observed after a single dose of GTE, suggesting that some biochemical changes induced by habitual GTE intake, such as up-regulation of muscular beta-oxidation, contributed to the improvement in endurance capacity."

The study found that plasma NEFA (non-esterified fatty acid) measured immediately after exercise slightly, but significantly, increased in mice fed tea catechins. Though they concede that the effect of plasma fatty acid level on endurance capacity is controversial, they say that increased supply of circulating fatty acids would "induce the uptake of fatty acids, and thereby stimulate lipid metabolism in muscle."

Indeed, lab results showed that muscular beta-oxidation was higher in GTE-fed mice (compared with non-exercise and exercise-control mice), "suggesting that GTE enhanced the capacity of muscle to catabolize lipids and utilize fatty acids as an energy source." Conversely, GTE lowered plasma lactate concentrations, which would be raised by glycogen breakdown and glycolytic flux, they note.

Taken together the experimental results "suggest that habitual exercise and the intake of GTE enhance fatty acid availability, catabolism and utilization in muscle, and this is accompanied by a reduction in carbohydrate use, which together result in prolonged swimming times to exhaustion."

Controlling for caffeine

Kao researchers controlled for possible influences of caffeine and possible weight-fat changes that might affect buoyancy.

Aware that previous studies were criticized by the possible role of caffeine on fatty acids and exercise, the Kao researchers reduced the amount of caffeine in supplements. "In addition, we observed no changes in plasma NEFA level under resting conditions, suggesting that caffeine-stimulated lipolysis did not occur under these conditions. Thus our results overall suggest that the effects observed in this study are not attributable to caffeine. In particular, our findings that purified EGCG improved endurance capacity supports this conclusion."

Next steps


The "precise molecular mechanism by which GTE stimulates fatty acid metabolism is unclear at present (and) remains to be elucidated."

For instance, the researchers wrote, "it is possible that the anti-oxidant properties of tea catechins mediate their effects on endurance capacity."

And finally they noted: "Although the clinical efficacy of GTE has not yet been confirmed in human studies, our results suggest that GTE may be a useful tool for improving endurance capacity."

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Source and funding

The study, "Green tea extract improves endurance capacity and increases muscle lipid oxidation in mice," was conducted by Takatoshi Murase, Satoshi Haramizu, Akira Shimotoyodome, Azumi Nagasawa and Ichiro Tokimitsu, appears in the online edition of the American Journal of Physiology-Regulatory, Integrative and Comparative Physiology, published by the American Physiological Society.

All researchers work at the Biological Science Laboratories of Kao Corp., Tochigi, Japan, which makes healthcare products, including green tea beverages.

Editor's note: A copy of the research paper by Murase et al. is available to the media. Members of the media may obtain an electronic version and interview members of the research team by contacting Mayer Resnick at the American Physiological Society, 301.634.7209, cell 301.332.4402 or mresnick@the-aps.org.

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slaine
09-12-08, 17:13
είχα διαβάσει ότι το τσάι του βουνού είναι καλύτερο από το γνωστό πράσινο. τι λέτε?

RUHL
09-12-08, 17:13
ΜORE TEA PLEASE


Exercise and green tea extract stimulate fat oxidation and prevent obesity in mice.

Shimotoyodome A, Haramizu S, Inaba M, Murase T, Tokimitsu I.

Biological Science Laboratories, Kao Corporation, Ichikai-machi, Haga-gun, Tochigi, JAPAN.

INTRODUCTION/PURPOSE:: The purpose of the present study was to explore the combined effects of dietary supplementation with green tea extract (GTE) and regular exercise on the development of obesity in high fat-fed C57BL/6J mice. METHODS:: Weight and age-matched male mice were divided into 5 groups of 10 mice each. Groups were treated as follows: a low-fat diet and not exercised (LF), a high-fat diet and not exercised (HF), a high-fat diet supplemented with GTE and not exercised (GTE-HF), a high-fat diet and exercised regularly (EX-HF), or a high-fat diet supplemented with GTE and exercised regularly (GTEEX-HF). The exercise modality was treadmill running. RESULTS:: After 15 wk, GTE alone and regular exercise alone caused a 47 and 24% reduction in body weight gain induced by the high-fat diet, respectively, and when combined, resulted in an 89% reduction. In visceral fat accumulation, GTE alone, exercise alone, and their combination caused a 58, 37, and 87% reduction, respectively. Indirect calorimetry showed that the GTEEX-HF group had the highest energy expenditure and fat utilization in the sedentary condition after 4 wk. Furthermore, the GTEEX-HF group utilized more fat than the EX-HF group during exercise. GTE supplementation increased hepatic fatty acid oxidation both in the exercised and nonexercised groups. In addition, when combined with regular exercise, GTE supplementation also stimulated skeletal muscle fatty acid oxidation. CONCLUSION:: In conclusion, dietary GTE and regular exercise, if combined, stimulate fat catabolism not only in the liver but also in skeletal muscle, and attenuate high-fat diet-induced obesity more effectively than each alone in C57BL/6J mice.

RUHL
09-12-08, 17:14
είχα διαβάσει ότι το τσάι του βουνού είναι καλύτερο από το γνωστό πράσινο. τι λέτε?

Στην βιβλιογραφια του μητσου του αγελαδαρη? :???: :???: :green:

slaine
09-12-08, 17:16
στην εφημερίδα καθημερινή ρε χοντρέ που είχε ένα άρθρο από αγγλική έρευνα. πριν μήνες

Gregory G
14-05-09, 15:16
μπορουμε να παρουμε και αν περνουμε κρεατινη??λογο τισ καφεινησ το λεω....

Nikos_Kavala
18-05-09, 16:48
μαγκες μηπως ξερει κανενας ποτε πρεπει να πινουμε το τσαι; εννοω εχει συγκεκριμενες ωρες ή μπορουμε να το πινουμε οποτε θελουμε;

ευχαριστω

(σορρυ αν το λεει σε αυτα τα huge posts αλλα με την κουραση που εχω αυτην την στιγμη δεν μπορω να τα διαβασω:unsure::unsure:)

KATERINI 144
18-05-09, 21:07
μισο να τα διαβάσω εγω και θα σου πω, ξεκουράσου.............................


2 φορες την ήμερα το πρωτο με αδειο στομάχι κ το αλλο αργότερα.

Eimai_fetes
21-05-09, 18:16
Δηλ. 1 το πρωι με το που ξυπνησεις.... βαλε ενα για το βραδυ...
Κ αν θες, βαλε κ ενα 3ο για καπου στην μεση της ημερας...
Μην το παρακανεις γιατι ειναι κ διουριτικο κ σε βλεπω να μην προλαβαινεις
να κατσεις :rolf:

willy
30-05-09, 12:27
το κανονικο βουνισιο τσαι κανει δουλεια?
http://laspistasteria.files.wordpress.com/2007/06/tsai1.jpg

Πάντα βουνίσιο από τα βουνά της Μακεδονίας μαζεμένο!!

Κάτσε να βράσω επί της ευκαιρίας κιόλας (δεν κάνω πλάκα) :)