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  1. 13-05-05 22:28 #1
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    Kalispera!
    Eimai 31 etwn kai sxetika neos ston xwro tou bodybuilding.
    8a i8ela tin polytimi symvouli sas sto 8ema tis diatrofis.
    Eimai stin fasi pou epidiwkw tin grammwsi.
    8a i8ela na mou dwsei kapoios ta fwta tou kai na mou proteinei ena programma diatrofis kai symplirwmatwn pou na douleuei giati me exoun
    mperdepsei me auta pou mou lene..
    Sas eyxaristw poly ek twn protairwn,

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  2. 14-05-05 00:16 #2
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    Προεπιλογή Re: DIATROFI KAI GRAMMWSH
    Geia sou giorgo,

    I diatrofi gia grammosi einai poly pio polyploki ypothesi apo oti fainetai arxika. Katarxas apo thema sympliromaton efoson eisai sxetika neos sto xoro enas aplos lipodialytis tha douleve poli kala, h kai mia karnitini. Fysika sympliroma proteinis einai MUST!
    Sto thema tis diatrofis to mono pou mporo na sou po ayti ti stigmi einai na kaneis polla geymata (kathe 2-3 ores), isoropoimena se proteini kai ydatantrakes (sinthetous opos ryzi kai patata alla kai inodeis opos laxanika). Symvoules tou tipou apefyge ta glyka kai ta almyra einai aytotoites.
    Prospathise to lipos pou tha vazeis sti diatrofi sou na min einai zoiko, alla fytiko, kai an dynaton mporeis na xrisimopoiiseis simpliroma liparon oxeon (omega 3) ta opoia periexontai kai se psaria opos solomos tha itan poli kalo.

    Analitikes odigies gia programmata diatrofis tha mpoun sto site kapoia stimgi otan vrethei xronos. pros to paron george an exeis kapoies sygekrimenes apories meta xaras na voithiso, alla to olokliromeno programma den einai toso aplo, prpei na laveis polla pragmata ypopsin sou kai einai arketa atomikeymeno analoga me tis anages tou atomou.

    Elpizo na pires mia "geysi"...

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  3. 14-05-05 14:22 #3
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    MuscleBoss kalispera!

    Se eyxaristw poly gia tin amesi apantisi & tis symvoules!

    8a i8ela na ginw ligo pio sygkekrimenos gia na me voi8iseis ligo akoma!
    Exw agorasei kai idi xrisimopoiw kapoia symplirwmata kai eimai ypo skepsi gia kapoia alla.

    Af'enos 8a i8ela an mporeis na mou peis poio diatrofiko profil einai to kalytero dynato gia grammwsi: Alloi mou lene to 40% Prwteini-30% Lipos-30% Ydatan8raka enw alloi na periorisw poly to lipos se sxesi me tous ydatan8rakes!
    Poio douleuei kalytera kata tin gnwmi sou h kapou endiamesa einai i ali8eia?

    Apo symplirwmata xrisimopoiw:
    Whey protein: MethoxyPro (Cytodyne)
    Creatine: CellTech (Muscletech)
    1 polyvitamini
    Vitamini C 1000mg
    Aminoksea: American Amino 2000 (American Sport Nutrition)
    Lipotropiko: Thermogain (MuscleTech)

    Na parw kai karnitini? CLA?
    To CellTech na to stamatisw? mipws empodizei tin grammwsi?

    Polles erwtiseis etsi??

    Se eyxaristw poly, estw kai se kapoia apo autes na mou apantiseis 8a me voi8isei poly!

    Filika

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  4. 16-05-05 23:14 #4
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    Giorgo,

    Sxetika me to diatrofiko profil einai kata ena poly megalo meros thema atomiko. Me liga logia dokimazeis kai vlepeis pos antapokrinetai to soma sou. An kai 30% lipos tha mporouse na xrisimopoithei se grammosi efoson proerxetai apo lipara oxea (omega 3 kai 6) kai katholou zoiko. Prosopika eimai tis apopsis oti to lipos prpei na eina xamilotera kai genika polles prosegmenes dietes to exoun gyro sto 15-20% olo apo EFA (essential fatty acids). Ego sinithios proteino ayta ta pososta.

    ta sympliromata den moufainontai asxima efoson ta kaneis sosti xrisi. Sxetika me to celltech, i alitheia einai oti tha sou kratisei nera, parola ayta den einai apagoreytiko se mia grammosi efoson ginetai xrisi mono meta tin proponisi kai i posotits tis dextrozis den xeperna ta 20gr kai kreatini ta 5 gr (exartatai kai apo somatiko varos). nomizo sto celltech einai 1 scoop, den eimai sigouros.

    Toso i karnitini kai to CLA tha voithousan ti grammosi. Den gnorizo akrivos to soma sou kai tous stoxous sou kai den mporo na sou po an axizei na ta xrisimopoiseis i oxi. Min perimeneis na sou kanaoun ti megali diafora, idi exeis lipodialiti.

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  5. 19-09-05 14:19 #5
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    Katarxin geia se olous einai to proto mou post
    File giorgio ama kaneis 4 week me sththos kotopoulo kai rizi tha eisai kommatia alla meta den tha exeis thn dinamh na kounitheis!!
    xekinas me 800gr thn hmera sththos kotopoulo kai 300rizi 1week(to xorizeis se 5 gevmata)
    kai meta apo thn defteri week kai meta katebazeis 50gr rizi kai afxaneis 50gr kotopoulo mexrii opou thes na ftaseis,egw px eftasa 1200 gr a day kotopoulo mono tis teleftees 10 meres (ola afta xwreis zaxari alati ennoite psito kotopoulo kai brasto rizi xwris to nero)
    Mazi eperna 2 supradyn becozym vit c bentotal vit e (OLES VITAMINES einai GIA OPION DEN XEREI!!)
    Afta gia thn arxi alla einai poli extrime!! den xerw ama to bgazeis...
    Alla ta apotelesmata einai sigoura!!!
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  6. 19-09-05 21:20 #6
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    γιατι δεν θα εχεις δυναμη να κουνηθεις ?
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  7. 19-09-05 22:20 #7
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    File Morphyne kalosirthes sto forum!

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    File giorgio ama kaneis 4 week me sththos kotopoulo kai rizi tha eisai kommatia alla meta den tha exeis thn dinamh na kounitheis!!
    nomizo oti ayto einai ligo epipolaio.

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  8. 20-09-05 17:13 #8
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    kita egw sthn italia mazi me alla paidia apo to gym katebikeme agones(begginer natural gia na mhn arxisoune alla sxolia...kai bgika 4 sthn italia sta 85kg prhn 4 xronia) me afti thn diatrofi tupot'allo kai mporo na sou pw oti oloi ma oloi pathane plaka!!!
    ama to kaneis gia 15 meres mono tha deis tromerh diafora...
    bebea thelei na exeis kefali gia na to kaneis den einai katholou efkolo...allios oloi tha htan kommenoi..
    fantasou spoudaza tote italia kai eixa diabash apo ena mathima(mhxanologos mhxanikos eimai) mono 10 selides!! kai aftes me xilia zoria.
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  9. 20-09-05 18:48 #9
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    file Morphyne,
    de tha paratheso kai ego tou titlous mou, giati den nomizo oti xreiazontai gia na entyposiaso.

    Mia prosegmeni diatrofi grammosis pou stoxeyyei na epiferei ta VELTISTA apotelesmata se meiosi leipous kai diatirisi myikis mazas, apoexei poly apo to aplo...kotopoulo+ryzi. Akomi epeidi leitoyrgise gia sena den nomizo oti mporeis na tin proteineis anepifilaxta.


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  10. 20-09-05 19:44 #10
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    re paidia egw eimai poli kainourgios kai oute titlous oute tipota exw

    mallon asxetos eimai kai ton telefteo 1,5 xrono prospathw na enimerwthw

    pantws ena exw mathei:den iparxoun magika kai tipota den einai panakeia

    opote mallon simfwnw me ton muscleboss
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  11. 21-09-05 12:58 #11
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    file Morphyne,
    de tha paratheso kai ego tou titlous mou, giati den nomizo oti xreiazontai gia na entyposiaso.

    Mia prosegmeni diatrofi grammosis pou stoxeyyei na epiferei ta VELTISTA apotelesmata se meiosi leipous kai diatirisi myikis mazas, apoexei poly apo to aplo...kotopoulo+ryzi. Akomi epeidi leitoyrgise gia sena den nomizo oti mporeis na tin proteineis anepifilaxta.


    Muscleboss

    katse egw den sou eipa gia titlous kai parasima
    sou eipa gia enan agwna begginer se italiko epipedo kai NATURAL...
    den thelw na entiposiasw kai oute eithela na kanw ton exipno aplos sou eipa thn peristash pou thn dokimasame kai to anefera apla gia na katalabeis oti mono me thn diatrofh kai xwreis kamia ximia eixame apotelesmata...Twra ama ebaza kai ALLA PRAGMATA den tha eftana 4 alla protos(kai sigoura tha prospathousa na paw sto DUE TORRI ths BOLOGNA kai oxi se tetio agwna )kai me poli ligoterh kourash etsi den einai.... afto einai allo kefaleo..
    Twra gia thn diatrofh thn singkekrimenh GIA NATURAL ATOMO pianei GIA ALLOUS ATHLITES POU EXOUNE ALLA KOLPA GIA THN GRAMOSH AFTO EINAI LALAKIA xerw kosmo pou den ekane kan diatrofh stous agwnes kai, apo ti mou les exeis pari pollous titlous,prepi na xereis etsi den einai????
    KAI GIA NA MHN PARAXigITHEIS LEW ,efoson sou aresei to athlima NA XEREIS OXI NA KANEIS KAI ESI TA IDIA etsi? sizitish kanoume
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  12. 21-09-05 14:37 #12
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    ^ OK. Morphyne, den thelo se kamia periptosi na anoixo antiparathesi.

    H diatrofi pou proteineis mporei na doulevei, alla opos eipe o filos vassilis den einai panakeia.

    les 4 weeks na tin kanei kapoios kai tha einai kommatia. Rotises to pososto lipous aytou tou atomou? rotises tin proponitiki tou empieiria?ilikia? ton metavolismo tou?diladi ti, mono ryzi kai kotopoulo?alloi ydatatharkes?alli proteini? posotites pou prei na troei? pososta lipsis thermidon apo ydat? apo lipos?ti lipos? apo proteini? xronismos geymaton? ...kai tosa ala...

    me liga logia thelo na po, oti se dyo grammes den mporei kanenas na vgalei diatrofi gia grammosi i otidipote alli diatrofi kai na thereite olokliromeni.

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  13. 21-09-05 17:50 #13
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    [quote="Muscleboss"]^ OK. Morphyne, den thelo se kamia periptosi na anoixo antiparathesi.

    H diatrofi pou proteineis mporei na doulevei, alla opos eipe o filos vassilis den einai panakeia.

    les 4 weeks na tin kanei kapoios kai tha einai kommatia. Rotises to pososto lipous aytou tou atomou? rotises tin proponitiki tou empieiria?ilikia? ton metavolismo tou?diladi ti, mono ryzi kai kotopoulo?alloi ydatatharkes?alli proteini? posotites pou prei na troei? pososta lipsis thermidon apo ydat? apo lipos?ti lipos? apo proteini? xronismos geymaton? ...kai tosa ala...

    me liga logia thelo na po, oti se dyo grammes den mporei kanenas na vgalei diatrofi gia grammosi i otidipote alli diatrofi kai na thereite olokliromeni.

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    posotites eipa grigora grigora prin...
    gia na gramoseis mono rizi thelei AMA MILAME GIA NATURAL
    twra to poso pou tha xasei tha einai mono lipos
    signomh ligo to exeis???
    to themaeinai an MPOREIS NA TO KANEIS......
    Oloi dialegoune tous efkolous dromous... to xekiname me carnitini kai pilosella meta blepoume oti den pianei thn defterh fora ,kai pernoume kati pio dinato... efedr mexri na ftasoume se winst insul ktlp .. kai meta klene
    KANW KANENA LATHOS MHPOS??????
    kai afto giati sinantame kamia fora lathos atoma kai emeis pano sthn porosh tsimpame san xanoi!! "ela more mono etsi tha anebeis mono etsi tha gramoseis..." anti na kourastoume sto gym trogontas sidero anti gia lalakies
    Pou les twra pou sizitame epidh ama asxolitheis poli se kati blepeis oles tis plevres (giati se ola a pragmata iparxei h bromikh plevra) kai egw ektos apo tis spoudes mou thn doulia mou exw san hobby to bb to agapaw poli exw dei ta panta panw se afto.....kai xerw kai pola alla ftaneis se ena stavrodomh dexia h aristera egw dialexa enan dromo opos o kathenas mas alla prepi na ftanoume se afto to stavrodomi kai na apofasizoume emeis ..esi ti les??oxi alloi, blepontas thn porosei enos paidiou sthn arxi
    egw nomizw oti ena paidi prepi na mathei na kourazete gia na petixei giati mono etsi exei apopsh kai dialegei ton dromo pou tha parei....
    gia thn dieta twra den tha katso na kanw diatrofi hmerisia gia na katalabeis ti ennow ama exeis parei titlous kai sou lew 800gr kot kai 300 rizi xereis se poses fores tha to xoriseis thn nmera egw aplos sou eipa pws na kaneis me tis analogies stis 4 weeks
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  14. 21-09-05 18:04 #14
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    pisteveis diladi oti oloi mporuna na vgaloun fetes koiliakous me 800gr kot kai 300 gram ryzi? an nai tote tha se diapsefso...

    pou einai ta laxanika ? pou einai oi ydatanthakes me to xamilotero dynato gkykaimiko deikti? pou einai ta EFA? ti ginetai me to post wrorkout drink kai pos prpei na xeirizomaste tin insoulini kata tin periodo grammosis.
    prepei na ginontai geymata xoris ydatanthrakes kai an nai posa, gia na petuxoume ta xamilotera dynata epipeda insoulinis kata ti diarkeia tis meras?...

    Den thelo na po tpt allo. To kotopoulo ryzi mporei na doulevei, alla APEXEI POLY apo mia olokliromeni kai veltistopoimeni diatrofi grammosis kai milao panta gia natural.

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  15. 22-09-05 13:43 #15
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    pisteveis diladi oti oloi mporuna na vgaloun fetes koiliakous me 800gr kot kai 300 gram ryzi? an nai tote tha se diapsefso...

    pou einai ta laxanika ? pou einai oi ydatanthakes me to xamilotero dynato gkykaimiko deikti? pou einai ta EFA? ti ginetai me to post wrorkout drink kai pos prpei na xeirizomaste tin insoulini kata tin periodo grammosis.
    prepei na ginontai geymata xoris ydatanthrakes kai an nai posa, gia na petuxoume ta xamilotera dynata epipeda insoulinis kata ti diarkeia tis meras?...

    Den thelo na po tpt allo. To kotopoulo ryzi mporei na doulevei, alla APEXEI POLY apo mia olokliromeni kai veltistopoimeni diatrofi grammosis kai milao panta gia natural.

    Muscleboss
    koita ama kitaxeis kal sthn arxi,sou grafw pws na anebaseis to stithos kot kai pws na katebaseis to rizi mexri ta 50 gr(egw tote otan thn ekana ths teleftees 10 meres den etroga kan rizi mono 1200gr kotopoulo me ligi ntomata frescia)
    kai sou grafw kai ola ta simpliromata se vitamines pou prepi na pareis giati ontos einai diskolh diatrofh den lew...
    koita na deis afto egw to eipa ama kapios mesa se 20 meres peripou thelei na einai kapos gramomenos...den leme gia agwnes etsi...giati egw sou grafw oti ton telefteo mhna prhn ton agwna ekana afti thn diatrofh alla h olh proetimasia den xekinisai apo edw dld den ekana 4 mhnes afti thn diatrofh katarxhn den ginete ...alla ama thn kaneis ston telefteo mhna (gia agwnes)
    h thn kanei opiosdipote khnos anthropws gia 20 meres tha dei tromerh diafora sto somatoy
    afta file boss den thelw na fenete oti tsakonomaste giati etsi tha nomizoun oi alloi ama diabazeis afta pou grapsame, egw den exw kanena problhma oute me sena oute me kanenan apo to site kai oute thelw na kanw ton exipno kai ton xerola apla thelw na milame giia to hobby mas na leme tis apopsis mas kai o kathenas apo emas na krataei kati ap'ola afta pou leme gia na kalitereboume panta. kai amalaxi na brethoume oloi se meeting na gnoristoume apo konta
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